For Oidupaa Fans

[imnotelmo]

--- throatsinger <khoomei@khoomei.com> wrote:

> ...Mao-- the young lady from Japan ...

i don't know about 3 octaves,
but when i met her in 2004 in Tuva
her kargyraa was a 2 octave drop.
so basically her kargyraa sounds
similar to a male singing kargyraa.
In fact she had the best sounding
kargyraa in the visiting group from
Japan that year and the Tuvan fellows
got great pleasure from chiding the
Japanese guys that their kargyraa was
weak compared Tadora Mao.

i have a short clip of her singing and
she also appears on the DVD available
through overtone.ru





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[throatsinger]

Yes, I'm sure that I've seen video of her in the past.

Where are those clips? Let's give a listen and make a sonogram of them. Should be interesting!

[mcrofoot]

YYYYYYAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!  sez crowfoot

throatsinger wrote:

Yes, I'm sure that I've seen video of her in the past.

Where are those clips? Let's give a listen and make a sonogram of them. Should be interesting!



Steve Sklar
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[moortaiool]

Here is an interesting interview in which Oidupaa gets asked about his singing style.

I have made a rough translation of the Russian text, see below.

One remark on the Swedish connection:

Oidupaa toured Sweden in the early nineties. However, the album «Divine music from a jail» has not been released there.

Morten

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From the newspaper "Urianhai-Nedelia", No. 6, February 16 2006

The Oidupaa style

To the generally accepted 5 (some say 12) styles of throat singing, höömei experts in the West add one more, the Oidupaa style. According to them, the roulades with accordeon of the Christian Tuvan, who successfully conquered Europe and released his album («Divine music from a jail», publisher: Friends Records 1999) in Sweden, are fully worthy of being classified as a style on its own, of which in the whole world there are already a whole army of imitators.

«The history of this style is quite astonishing. Oidupaa Vladimir (Oiun) was actually in prison when his debut album was released. The style of kargyraa sounded completely new, and has found a great number of followers. It has been called «Оidupaa kаrgyrаа». Specialists write that «such a sound demands very high pressure».

From the reviews: «The title of the album is to 100% supported by its contents! There has never before been more expressive musical works!! I await the second album with impatience! Let Vladimir Oidupaa be free!», «This is extremely good!!!!»

Oidupaa is undeniably talented. But because of rare public appearances the musician's very personality has been shrouded in mystery.

The truth is, that there is actually a bit of romance hidden behind this halo. Or rather prose. The main part of his 57 years Vladimir Oidupaa, the idol of hundreds of höömei fans, has spent behind bars. He has three sentences behind him. The musician just returned after his last «sitting», which lasted 15 years. Everybody admits he has been a very bright colour in Tuva's musical palette. In this conversation Vladimir Oidupaa talks about life, music and the young generation.

- You have a unique voice. For how long have you been singing höömei?

- I think, since I was in the womb. When my father was at work in Chаdaаna, my mother was nine months pregnant and was spinning the records of Claudia Shul'zhenko, Peter Leshchenko, Leonid Utesov and others, and I heard these melodies from inside the womb. All this found its expression later, in my creative career. My brain was drenched throughout with sound: Switch on an electric fan, it sings mountain melodies. Even a glass, the barking of a dog, various objects that let out sounds, all of them have their tonality and music. All this was confirmed afterwards, when I started studying the basics of elementary music theory.

I have been carried away with music, I would say, since birth, to this time this illness has not receded. It has turned out to be an incurable illness, one life is not enough.

- The Оidupaa style…How would you explain it?

- Uruum [my daughter or my child, in Tuvan, my comment], that's something very old and forgotten. Earlier people sang in all styles. From barbaric times music has developed more than speech. All nations in any world scared away or charmed animals with various sound imitations, or, as we say, with throat singing.

From this time, among the Tuvans both old and young sing, if only on one note, but throat singing or sygyt comes out. If the boys [men?] in a family die, the mother or the grandmother takes the responsibility to teach the grandson or the greatgrandson how and in what manner this is done.

I felt it in the seventies and eighties, when there was almost no man left who sang the throat style sygyt. For the sygyt style is a late style. There is this regularity: When kargyraa sounds, there is no mass death among the livestock. When there was mass death among the livestock, my grandfather, he was sly, put on a record with kargyraa, and he didn't lose a single beast. And there was another uncommon incident in my life: A paralyzed and dying man heard the sounds of kargyraa, he started to rise and then sat down on a chair in front of
his children, who were crying with joy.

- You are astonishingly devoted to music.

- Of course, uruum, music has kept me alive, because of it I have endured much. You know, uruum, the whole mankind, the whole universe is made out of music. Even each day of the week has a note of its own. For example, Monday is fa, Tuesday is do and so on. Which day do we have today? Thursday? That means mi. Even the human body is divided into notes. By the way, today is mi. Mi is the solar plexus, ie. the human navel.

- What are your fascinations besides music?

- I love to read. In my life I have read much, especially in the direction of philosophy. I have read many books on zen buddhism, loads of books on shamanism. In my childhood there were very powerful shamans! I got interested in Chinese folklore, tales and parables. From them I scooped genuine music, I found music between the lines.

- Again, music. Whatever you have been occupied with, whatever you have done, it all leads to music.

- Whatever I have done, music itself has come into my head.

- After those long and hard years, we are not going into details, you returned to your homeland. What are your plans?

- To serve the people with my talent.

- What are your dreams?

- I have no dreams. I dreamed to become a musician. Thanks to God, the dream came true. I dreamed to become a virtuous performer, I became one. I dreamed to become a Musician of the People [title of honour], this also happened.

- Are you giving master classes to the youth?

- I do. When the youngsters come, under any circumstances, I don't refuse, because I am one of them.

- Who do you single out among our musicians, who has perfection?

- I have been listening to various recordings lately. I started with the 60s and 70s, now I am listening to young performers. I'm glad that many strive to get up, towards olympic heights. But everybody finds his own way. I'm happy for their temperament, their joy of life, they have no inhibitions. Such youth makes me happy. Before the youth was cowed, so to say. And now there is a glow in their eyes, this makes me happy.

(Oiumaa Homushku did the interview)

[mcrofoot]

Thanks for this Morten. Your translation is far better than my automatic
machine translation-- that's fer shure... May I use it here and there on
the Internet-- being sure to attribute your translation to yourself,
with your name and email on it or not-- depending on your druthers?
Thanks again! Crowfoot

moortaiool wrote:

>Quote:
>Here is an interesting interview (http://www.tuvaonline.ru/2006/02/16/oidupaa1.html) in which Oidupaa gets asked about his singing style.
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>
>
>I have made a rough translation of the Russian text, see below.
>
>One remark on the Swedish connection:
>
>Oidupaa toured Sweden in the early nineties. However, the album «Divine music from a jail» has not been released there.
>
>Morten
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>From the newspaper "Urianhai-Nedelia", No. 6, February 16 2006
>
>The Oidupaa style
>
>To the generally accepted 5 (some say 12) styles of throat singing, höömei experts in the West add one more, the Oidupaa style. According to them, the roulades with accordeon of the Christian Tuvan, who successfully conquered Europe and released his album («Divine music from a jail», publisher: Friends Records 1999) in Sweden, are fully worthy of being classified as a style on its own, of which in the whole world there are already a whole army of imitators.
>
>«The history of this style is quite astonishing. Oidupa Vladimir (Oiun) was actually in prison when his debut album was released. The style of kargyraa sounded completely new, and has found a great number of followers. It has been called «Оidupaa kаrgyrаа». Specialists write that «such a sound demands very high pressure».
>
>>From the reviews: «The title of the album is to 100% supported by its contents! There has never before been more expressive musical works!! I await the second album with impatience! Let Vladimir Oidupaa be free!», «This is extremely good!!!!»
>
>Oidupaa is undeniably talented. But because of rare public appearances the musician's very personality has been shrouded in mystery.
>
>The truth is, that there is actually a bit of romance hidden behind this halo. Or rather prose. The main part of his 57 years Vladimir Oidupaa, the idol of hundreds of höömei fans, has spent behind bars. He has three sentences behind him. The musician just returned after his last «sitting», which lasted 15 years. Everybody admits he has been a very bright colour in Tuva's musical palette. In this conversation Vladimir Oidupaa talks about life, music and the young generation.
>
>- You have a unique voice. For how long have you been singing höömei?
>
>- I think, since I was in the womb. When my father was at work in Chаdaаna, my mother was nine months pregnant and was spinning the records of Claudia Shul'zhenko, Peter Leshchenko, Leonid Utesov and others, and I heard these melodies from inside the womb. All this found its expression later, in my creative career. My brain was drenched throughout with sound: switch on an electric fan, it sings mountain melodies. Even a glass, the barking of a dog, various objects that let out sounds, all of them have their tonality and music. All this was confirmed afterwards, when I started studying the basics of elementary music theory.
>
>I have been carried away with music, I would say, since birth, to this time this illness has not receded. It has turned out to be an incurable illness, one life is not enough.
>
>- The Оidupaa style…How would you explain it?
>
>- Uruum [my daughter or my child, in Tuvan, my comment], that's something very old and forgotten. Earlier people sang in all styles. From barbaric times music has developed more than speech. All nations in any world scared away or charmed animals with various sound imitations, or, as we say, with throat singing.
>
>>From this time, among the Tuvans both old and young sing, if only on one note, but throat singing or sygyt comes out. If the boys [men?] in a family die, the mother or the grandmother takes the responsibility to teach the grandson or the greatgrandson how and in what manner this is done.
>
>I felt it in the seventies and eighties, when there was almost no man left who sang the throat style sygyt. For the sygyt style is a late style. There is this regularity: When kargyraa sounds, there is no mass death among the livestock. When there was mass death among the livestock, my grandfather, he was sly, put on a record with kargyraa, and he didn't lose a single beast. And there was another uncommon incident in my life: A paralyzed and dying man heard the sounds of kargyraa, he started to rise and then sat down on a chair in front of
>his children, who were crying with joy.
>
>- You are astonishingly devoted to music.
>
>- Of course, uruum, music has kept me alive, because of it I have endured much. You know, uruum, the whole mankind, the whole universe is made out of music. Even each day of the week has a note of their own. For example, Monday is fa, Tuesday is do and so on. Which day do we have today? Thursday? That means mi. Even the human body is divided into notes. By the way, today is mi. Mi is the solar plexus, ie. the human navel.
>
>- What are your fascinations besides music?
>
>- I love to read. In my life I have read much, especially in the direction of philosophy. I have read many books on zen buddhism, loads of books on shamanism. In my childhood there were very powerful shamans! I got interested in Chinese folklore, tales and parables. From them I scooped genuine music, I found music between the lines.
>
>- Again, music. Whatever you have been occupied with, whatever you have done, it all leads to music.
>
>- Whatever I have done, music itself has come into my head.
>
>- After those long and hard years, we are not going into details, you returned to your homeland. What are your plans?
>
>- To serve the people with my talent.
>
>- What are your dreams?
>
>- I have no dreams. I dreamed to become a musician. Thanks to God, the dream came true. I dreamed to become a virtuous performer, I became one. I dreamed to become a Musician of the People [title of honour], this also happened.
>
>- Are you giving master classes to the youth?
>
>- I do. When the youngsters come, under any circumstances, I don't refuse, because I am one of them.
>
>- Who do you single out among our musicians, who has perfection?
>
>- I have been listening to various recordings lately. I started with the 60s and 70s, now I am listening to young performers. I'm glad that many strive to get up, towards olympic heights. But everybody finds his own way. I'm happy for their temperament, their joy of life, they have no inhibitions. Such youth makes me happy. Before the youth was cowed, so to say. And now there is a glow in their eyes, this makes me happy.
>
>(Oiumaa Homushku did the interview)
>
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[mcrofoot]

Morten made a great translation of this here Oidupaa interview, but I sure do like the automatic machine translation that the Google language translating tool did in about 10 seconds from start to finish...

Oidupaa Interview from Tuva-on-Line automatically translated by machine from the Russian to English by Crowfoot… (The original interview was first published in the newspaper “Urbana – Week” No.6, February 16th, 2006)

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About life, music, the young generation in conversation with Vladimir Oidupaa.

- You have a unique voice. Since when you Khoomei sings?
"I think with fetal life. When my father worked in Chadaana, snosyah mother was at the bar and wrote Claudia Shulzhenko, Petra Leschenko, Leonid Utesova and others, but I am in a position to listen to what they intrauterine tunes. My brain was impregnated only music: will include fan-singing mountain tunes, even glass, dog barking - issuing miscellaneous sounds, they all have their own tone and music. Love music, so to speak, from birth, yet the disease is not on the wane.

Oidupaa-style ... As you explain this style?
Uruum is well forgotten old. Previously, people sang in all styles. All nations in a world scared off or privorazhivali zvukopodrazhaniem different animals, or, as we say, baffle singing. If a boy running, it is the duty of a mother or grandmother-grandson they should teach or pravnuka how and which way it is done. A sygyt style is the latest style. When the republic was cattle, my grandfather, he was crafty, driving plate with kargyraa and it is not something none built. You amazingly dedicated music people ... You know, uruum all mankind, the whole universe created music. Even every day of the week has its own note. For example, Monday-fa, Tuesday to reach it. D. Today, we have that? Thursday? Even the human body is divided into music. Incidentally, today leapt, with a fusion of the sun - that is, human belly button.

In music, you have hobbies?
I love to read. In his life, many of which re - especially philosophical directions. In my childhood were the strongest shamans! Typical Chinese folklore, fairy tales, stories from them motivated this music, between the lines there are music. Again, the music. What I had not done, the music itself comes into my head.

What you want do in the future?
- Serve as a people with talent.

What is a dream?
I have no dreams. It was a dream to be a musician. Thanks to the Lord turned. It was the dream of becoming a musician, too soon.

Who do you allocate among our musicians who have perfect?
I have listened to from 60-70 CDs and now listen to the young. I am encouraged by their temperament, their vitality, in short, they have no brakes. This young I am heartened by the past, young people have been buffeted, so to speak. Now youth with blazing eyes is, I am pleased. (Interview took Oyumaa Homushku)

Crowfoot's Note: Yup, Mr Vladimir Oidupaa, I like it also that these youth of today-- they have no brakes and their eyes sure are blazing... Well said! And what about the "Uruum?", my friends. What about the Uruum???

[aiwetir]

michael crofoot uploaded these images to the files page, i thought i'd post them here.

[mcrofoot]

Ekki Khoomeniacs!

When I was up on the Ustuu-Khuree World Music Festival in Tyva a few weeks back, singing Oidupaa style for the Festival goers and people of Chadaana-- this is the song I was kinda, sorta thinking about.

Crowfoot

[throatsinger]

Hey Mike,

Thanks for sharing. But, I really wouldn't consider that "Oidupaa Style". Anyone else?

[mcrofoot]

Thanks for that, Steve. You are right. This is not Oidupaa style. For one, he sings his way in kargyraa and my attempt at singing his way is in khoomei. And sooo it goes...

Crowfoot

[imnotelmo]

well, you drop into kargyraa a couple times.

also, the melodic structure is not one that most
would group with Oidupaa style.

but it is an interesting start that could be developed into a swell song

[mcrofoot]

Thank you imnotelmo (me neither)...

Every little bit helps... Crowfoot

[imnotelmo]

i uploaded a couple quicktime movies
of tadora Mao singing kargyraa and started
a new thread entitled
girl 2 8va drop kargyraa

[mcrofoot]

Hi Folks!

Oh, for the love of it All, I hereby take back every boast I seemed to make about my Oidupaa style throat singing at the Ustuu-Khuree World Music Festival, 2007-- especially the mistaken bit I wrote somewhere above in this here discussion thread where I said that I was probably the first non-Tyvan to publicly sing Oidupaa style.

My bad. :oops:

Here is a link to Imre Peemot's purty darn good Oidupaa style throat singing. Are there any other such out there???

Crowfoot

http://www.imrepeemot.org/MP3/12..mp3

[throatsinger]

Well, this thread got me thinking 'bout ol' Oidupaa, and got me listening to DMFJ. Wow!

It's not something I listen to often, but, again, wow! With respect to Igor, Imre, and the rest, VO is the master. He da man.

To me, at what he does, he's the equal of a Gennadi Tumat, Kaigal-ool Khovalyg, or Sainkho. It is remarkable to me that a place with such a small population produces so many truly outstanding artists.